CIA veteran and Middle East expert Marc Polymeropoulos talks about the shift away from regional expertise in the CIA and the importance of specialists. He laments the passing of Charlie Seidel, the CIA's 'last great Arabist.' The podcast also discusses the consequences of the US invasion of Iraq, the rising presence of ISIS in Africa, and the need to prioritize expertise and relationships in intelligence gathering.
The CIA's shift towards employing generalist officers over regional specialists has led to a decline in regional expertise and a loss of valuable cultural understanding and language skills.
The importance of cultivating region-specific expertise is vital for effectively navigating complex geopolitics, establishing long-term relationships, and addressing unique challenges.
Deep dives
The Importance of Regional Expertise at the CIA
Mark Pauli Marapolo, a veteran CIA officer, discusses the decline of regional expertise at the CIA and the negative consequences of prioritizing generalist officers over specialists. He highlights the value of having officers with deep knowledge of a specific region, including language skills and cultural understanding. He pays tribute to Charlie Seidel, a renowned Arabist at the CIA, and laments the lack of similar expertise today. Mark advocates for a shift back to cultivating regional specialists to better navigate complex geopolitics and build long-term relationships.
The Role and Traits of an Arabist
Mark explains the term Arabist, which refers to individuals with extensive knowledge of the Arab world, including language, culture, and deep relationships in the region. Arabists have a holistic understanding of the region and can comprehensively engage with various stakeholders, from leaders to the local population. Mark emphasizes the importance of years of on-the-ground experience in different parts of the Arab world to develop the necessary expertise and trust required for effective intelligence operations.
The Need for Specialization in Other Regions
Mark argues that the erosion of specialization is not limited to the Middle East but is also prevalent in other regions. He notes the decline of China and Vietnam experts in the CIA's East Asia Division as an example. Mark underscores the need to develop region-specific expertise to effectively analyze and address unique challenges, whether it's in Africa, Asia, or elsewhere. He suggests that the CIA, under the leadership of Bill Burns, should prioritize restoring specialization to enhance intelligence capabilities.
Reflecting on CIA's Mistakes and Future Challenges
Mark acknowledges the mistakes made by the CIA, such as the flawed intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. He believes that the agency has learned from those errors and cites the intelligence community's successful assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election as evidence of improved analysis. However, Mark emphasizes the need for continuous improvement and vigilance, particularly in countering terrorism and adapting to evolving threats, such as the rise of ISIS in Africa.
CIA clandestine services veteran and longtime Middle East hand Marc Polymeropoulos tells Jeff Stein that the CIA no longer prizes regional expertise, instead opting for spy corps “generalists” who can be shifted from region to region. In this Special Edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Polymeropoulos laments the passing of Charlie Seidel, who he calls the CIA’s “last great Arabist.”