Bonus Episode: The Cost of Certainty and the Power of Listening

 In this bonus episode of the Psyched to Practice Podcast, Ray and Paul sit down to talk about perception in the wake of tragedy and political tension. They explore how quickly opinions turn into divisions, why curiosity is essential for compassion, and how we can disagree without dehumanizing. Through stories, psychology insights, and self-reflection, they highlight the power of listening to understand rather than to defend. This conversation challenges us all to pause, reflect, and choose respect in how we respond to one another. 

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