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Volatile Emotions

Nov 14, 2024

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Naomi Klein

Guest

Hala Alyan

Naomi Klein, bestselling author and professor, and Hala Alyan, acclaimed author and clinical psychologist, engage in a profound conversation about emotions in the Palestinian liberation movement. They explore how grief and rage influence political discourse and the need for emotional diversity within movements. The duo examines the weaponization of trauma in mourning practices, the psychological toll of state narratives, and the importance of recognizing and metabolizing emotions to empower communities. Their insights highlight the intricate connection between personal feelings and collective action.

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Intro

00:00 • 5min

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Navigating Emotions in Political Discourse

04:39 • 6min

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The Weaponization of Grief and Trauma in Mourning Practices

10:14 • 5min

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Understanding Trauma and Its Impact

14:50 • 2min

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Navigating Grief and Politics

17:06 • 26min

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Engaging Hearts and Minds: The Emotional Dimension of Conversation

43:31 • 5min

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Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).

Texts Mentioned and Further Resources:

“How Israel has made trauma a weapon of war,” Naomi Klein, The Guardian

The Generation of Postmemory: Writing and Visual Culture After the Holocaust by Marianne Hirsch

Prosthetic Memory: The Transformation of American Remembrance in the Age of Mass Culture by Alison Landsberg

“‘Chronic traumatic stress disorder’: the Palestinian psychiatrist challenging western definitions of trauma,” Bethan McKernan, The Guardian

“Can the Palestinian Mourn?,” Abdaljawad Omar, Rusted Radishes

“‘Resistance Through a Realist Lens,’” Arielle Angel in conversation with Abdaljawad Omar, Jewish Currents

“Mourning and Melancholia,” Sigmund Freud

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein

“One Year,” Palestinian Youth Movement, The New Inquiry (originally published in The New York War Crimes)

Recognizing the Stranger: On Palestine and Narrative by Isabella Hammad

“A Surge in American Jewish Left Organizing,” On the Nose, Jewish Currents

“Gaza and the Coming Age of the ‘Warrior,’” Ghassan Hage, Allegra

“One Year,” Arielle Angel, Jewish Currents newsletter

The Secret Life of Saeed: The Pessoptimist by Emile Habibi

“Theses on the Philosophy of History,” Walter Benjamin

Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World by Naomi Klein

“Naomi Klein on Israel’s ‘Doppelganger Politics,’” On the Nose, Jewish Currents

“Unpacking the Campus Antisemitism Narrative,” On the Nose, Jewish Currents

“The Power of Changing Your Mind,” Hala Alyan, Time

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