When we first step onto the spiritual path, it's easy to imagine it as pure light — all love, peace, and alignment.

But the truth is, awakening often looks a lot more human.

I was invited to be part of the Mastering Spirituality Summit, where I sat down with Jason Marc Campbell for a heartfelt conversation about the real spiritual journey — the one that includes confusion, expansion, surrender, and the beauty of coming home to yourself again and again.

In this episode, I share what my own path has taught me about awakening — how every challenge is an initiation, how our dharma unfolds in layers, and how to keep showing up even when things feel unclear.

We explore:

The surprising stages of the spiritual journey we all move through
Why confusion and resistance are signs of growth, not failure
What it truly means to embody your dharma in everyday life
How to find devotion and clarity through the unknown

This conversation is an invitation to breathe deeper into your becoming — to remember that the path itself is the practice. And that even the messy, in-between moments are part of your awakening.

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