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The Last Trade E048: Navigating the ETF Era with Hong Kim of Bitwise

May 3, 2024

Guest Hong Kim of Bitwise discusses the ETF era, custodial options, evolving narratives of adoption, path to ETF approval, accessibility in the ETF era, reflexive demand waves, limitations of ETFs, Hong Kong ETFs, and supporting open-source developers in the crypto space.

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Quick takeaways

Bitcoin ETFs mark a pivotal shift in finance, attracting capital and mainstream acceptance.

Supporting open-source developers is crucial for Bitcoin's growth and innovation.

Improving Bitcoin ETFs to allow in-kind withdrawals aligns with blockchain principles.

Deep dives

Importance of Bitcoin ETFs

Bitcoin ETFs are discussed as a significant state change in the financial markets, allowing easier access and introducing traditional institutions like banks in the Bitcoin market. The availability of ETFs is seen as a positive evolution for bringing in more capital and mainstream acceptance of Bitcoin, supporting accessibility for both retail and institutional investors.

Introduction

2min

Bitcoin and Financial Evolution

12min

Exploring the Interplay Between Self-Custody and ETFs in Bitcoin Investment

4min

The Bitcoin ETF Saga

9min

Bitcoin ETFs: Opening Doors to Public Markets

8min

Evolution of Bitcoin with the Adoption of ETFs

3min

Exploring ETFs and Bitcoin Engagement

30min

The Last Trade: a weekly, bitcoin native, interactive podcast covering where Bitcoin and traditional finance meet on a macro scale. Hosted by Marty Bent, Jesse Myers (Croesus), Michael Tanguma, and a special weekly guest host.

Join us as we dive into what Bitcoin means for how individuals & institutions save, invest, and propagate their purchasing power through time. It's not just another asset - in the digital age, it's the Last Trade that investors will ever need to make.

0:00 - Freedom, sovereignty, & bitcoin advocacy

12:19 - Introduction to Hong Kim & Bitwise

15:24 - Custodial options & tradeoffs

18:20 - Evolving narratives of adoption

23:29 - The path to ETF approval

27:38 - ETF flows & buyers

34:47 - A message from Onramp

35:03 - Accessibility in the ETF era

43:30 - Reflexivity & waves of demand

48:36 - ETF limitations: in-kind withdrawals & custody

54:02 - Hong Kong ETFs

57:18 - Supporting open-source developers

1:02:04 - Leveraging bitcoin’s native properties

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