This little gem from The Patrick Madrid Show is like a masterclass in how to keep it real, keep it Catholic, and keep it charitable when people start thinking the Papacy is just another political office.

Keaton's Big Question

Keaton from Green Bay, WI called in because he was struggling with how to respond to some friends. They were talking about the next pope almost like they were picking a president... hoping for someone who'd push certain social or political agendas.

Keaton didn’t want to come off as rude, but he also didn’t want to stay silent and let some serious misunderstandings about the Church go unchecked.

Patrick’s Wise, Humble Advice

Patrick Madrid gave this simple but brilliant response:

“I don’t really care what kind of Pope you want. I care about what kind of Pope God wants.”

He explained that the Pope isn’t supposed to be a political figure like a president. The Pope is meant to be someone who protects and advances the Gospel, not someone who shifts the Church to fit whatever political ideology is trendy.

Our job is to pray for whoever is chosen, just like Patrick has prayed for every pope since his childhood.

Bonus Tip: Tactics for Tough Talks

Since Keaton wanted to get better at these convos without sounding preachy or clumsy, Patrick recommended the book Tactics by Greg Koukl.

This book teaches you how to steer conversations using questions: a classic move called the Socratic Method. It's gentle but effective. It helps you stay respectful, avoid arguments, and make people think without feeling attacked. Exactly what Keaton was looking for!

Key Takeaway for Us

When people want the Church to “get political,” don't fight fire with fire. Stay cool, stay prayerful, and remember: We want God’s will, not the world's.
And maybe toss a few smart questions their way too.

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