Steven Rinella talks with Roman Dial, Anthony Licata, and Ryan Callaghan.

Topics discussed: the death of a son; dip-netting salmon; quitting climbing for marriage; playing the long game in child rearing; scaring yourself; being aware of what's dangerous; out dates; deadly snakes; the helplessness of modern humans; getting kicked out of the search for your own son; documentary tv vs. reality tv; the stink in the room you no longer notice; weeping through writing; and more.

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Ep. 204: It Should Be Difficult to Get Lost Forever