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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Inauguration Episode Two: Josh & the Anti-Trumper, David Frum

Jan 20, 2025
David Frum, a conservative "Never Trumper" and former White House speechwriter, discusses the daunting implications of a second Trump term. He reflects on the emotional turmoil of loyalty to an America that seems to stray from its ideals. Frum highlights the threats Trump's tactics pose to democracy and the integrity of civil service while critiquing the folly of tariffs and protectionism. The conversation also dives into the complexities of immigration policy and the interconnectedness of global issues, offering a rigorous defense of traditional conservative principles.
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  • David Frum discusses the alarming potential for Trump's return to power, underscoring the risks it poses to American democracy and governance.
  • Frum analyzes the troubling allure of Trump's candidness, revealing how it resonates with darker human instincts and challenges societal norms.

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Trump's Growing Power and Concerns

The discussion outlines the concerning political landscape surrounding Donald Trump's potential return to power, emphasizing that this time Trump has a legitimate electoral majority in both the House and Senate, indicating a more stable and substantial support base. This shift signals potential misuses of this power, as David Frum expresses a sense of foreboding about what a second term could entail for American democracy. He reflects on the previous election’s narrative that Trump’s first term was merely a glitch, realizing that the current political climate may represent a troubling acceptance of Trump's policies among voters. The fear is that in a scenario where Trump has the backing of elected officials and control over the necessary government apparatus, he may wield unprecedented influence to reshape the governance landscape in a way that could endanger democratic principles.

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