For Sports Illustrated, Pat Forde covers collegiate athletics, the Olympics, and horse racing. Pat published two books and was a 1990 Pulitzer Prize finalist. Pat is co-host of the College Football Enquirer podcast in addition to his work at SI. He participates in national radio programs and works as an analyst for the Big Ten Network. Pat has worked at Yahoo Sports, ESPN, and the Louisville Courier-Journal during the course of a career spanning more than three decades.

Pat's family is a swimming family, with his wife having swam at Northwestern, and his three kids all swimming in college.

Brett & Pat discuss how swimming can better market themselves, how to be a great sportswriter, and getting caught up in the Lia Thomas controversy.

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