Eliot Cohen, professor emeritus at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, thinks a second Trump term won’t have a dramatic effect on American foreign policy. He joins Jamie to debate this point, the risk of pulling out of NATO and abandoning allies, and whether America is bound to retreat from global affairs.

NOTE: This episode was recorded on Friday, July 19, 2024—two days before President Joe Biden announced he wouldn’t be running for reelection.

The Agenda:

—Cohen’s piece in The Atlantic

—Pulling out of NATO

—The proliferation of nuclear weapons

—Relationships with China and Taiwan

—Concerns about J.D. Vance advising Trump

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