This week we were lucky enough to sit down with Alicia Yanik and Nathan Chowilawu-Eshe a.k.a. The Agile Twins, hosts of the Transformation Simulation podcast!  We discuss their show's history, the idea genesis, and then we veer wildly off-course into the problems with agile, where our industry is going, and why transformations no longer "follow the script."  Enjoy! If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us.  Much thanks to the artist  from  who provided us our outro music free-of-charge!  If you like what you heard,     to find more music you might enjoy! If you’d like to join the discussion and share your stories,  please jump into the fray at our  We at the Agile Uprising are committed to being totally free.  However, if you’d like to contribute and help us defray hosting and production costs we do have a .  Who knows, you might even get some surprises in the mail!