During the 2020 presidential campaign, Joe Biden decried U.S. border policies enacted by the Trump administration as racist. But Biden has not only not rolled some of them back — in some cases, he’s doubled down.

Today, we try to figure out what changed. Read the full transcript here.

Host: Gustavo Arellano

Guests: L.A. Times immigration reporters Hamed Aleaziz and Andrea Castillo

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