Legendary musician, poet, and author Patti Smith joins Julia to discuss gratitude, life-changing friendships, and saying goodbye through art. They also touch on family truisms, with a hint of humor, and celebrate wise women with customized bourbon labels. The podcast wraps up with reflections on family, loss, creativity, and the impact of departed loved ones.
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Embrace imperfections in art as opportunities for creativity.
Deep dives
The Journey of Writing Just Kids
Over a span of years, Patti Smith navigated the challenge of writing Just Kids, fulfilling a promise to her late husband, Robert. Despite setbacks, losses, and changing publishers, she meticulously reconstructed their story. Using diaries and her sharp memory, Smith aimed to capture the magic of New York City in the late '60s and '70s, weaving cultural context and poetic prose. Eventually finishing the book while secluded in France, encouraged by Johnny Depp's high praise.
Value of Proximity to Influential Artists
Living at the Chelsea Hotel surrounded by luminaries like William Burroughs, Allen Ginsberg, and Janis Joplin, Patti Smith gained invaluable mentorship and guidance. She absorbed advice on artistry and life, including William Burroughs' wisdom on keeping one's name clean and Sam Shepard's lesson on improvisation. The Chelsea became Smith's university, where she honed her craft and was inspired by the creative energy around her.
The Power of Improvisation and Embracing Mistakes
Sam Shepard's insight on improvisation impacted Patti Smith profoundly, teaching her that mistakes in art are opportunities to create something new, akin to drumming where missed beats lead to new rhythms. This philosophy of embracing imperfections and turning them into strengths influenced Smith's approach to performance and life, allowing her to navigate setbacks with resilience and creativity.
Patty Smith's Transformation and Sacrifices
Patty Smith reflects on her decision to leave the music industry and live a quiet life in Detroit with her beloved Fred. Despite facing criticism and scrutiny, she prioritized personal growth, writing, and motherhood. Smith's transition from a rock star to a writer was fueled by a desire for a more meaningful and fulfilling life, resulting in personal and creative growth.
Navigating Grief and Keeping Memories Alive
Smith discusses how she coped with the loss of her husband, brother, and friend, Robert Maplethorpe. She emphasizes the importance of keeping the memory of loved ones alive through everyday conversations and shared experiences. Smith and her children navigate grief by integrating memories, stories, and laughter into their lives, acknowledging that relationships evolve but remain significant even after loss.
On this episode of Wiser Than Me, Julia connects with legendary 77-year-old musician, poet and author Patti Smith. Julia and Patti reflect on the importance of expressing gratitude daily, life-changing friendships, and saying goodbye to the people we love through art. Plus, Julia talks to her mom, Judy, about a misleading family truism that ends in a nice little nap.