Keren Landman, an avian flu expert, and Kenny Torrella, a Vox writer, dive into the startling transmission of avian flu from chickens to cows. They discuss the alarming implications for the dairy industry and public health, emphasizing the effectiveness of pasteurization in making milk safe. The conversation critiques the USDA's handling of the outbreak and the complexities of managing the risks posed by viral mutations. Their insights shed light on the ongoing challenges in ensuring food safety while balancing industry pressures.