The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie

Kat Murti: How To End the Drug War for Good

May 15, 2024

Kat Murti, former Cato Institute staffer, discusses drug policy reform with Nick Gillespie. They touch on youth activism, marijuana legalization, harm reduction, safe injection sites, and SSDP's work in psychedelics, emphasizing the need for practical actions over empty promises.

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Introduction

00:00 • 2min

Empowering Youth Advocacy for Sensible Drug Policies

02:18 • 17min

Reforming Drug Policy for Safer Practices

19:23 • 7min

Exploring the Influence of Environment and Stigma on Drug Use

26:40 • 5min

Promoting Safe Drug Use Spaces for Community Well-being

31:40 • 5min

SSDP and Psychedelic Research

36:57 • 6min

Evolution of Drug Policy Reform Movements

42:39 • 26min

Aligning the Psychedelic Community with Drug Decriminalization Movement

01:08:31 • 4min

Today's guest is Kat Murti, the new executive director of Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP), the country's oldest and most influential student group challenging the war on drugs. Before taking the helm at SSDP, Kat was a longtime staffer at the libertarian Cato Institute, a founder of Feminists for Liberty, and an SSDP chapter head at the University of California, Berkeley, where she attended undergrad. Reason's Nick Gillespie talks with Murti about the role that young people in particular can play in ending prohibition, why marijuana has yet to be legalized at the federal level, and whether Donald Trump and Republicans or Joe Biden and Democrats are actually worse when it comes to drug policy reform.

This interview was taped live at an event cosponsored by The Psychedelic Assembly in midtown Manhattan.

00:00:00—Introduction

00:02:03—What is Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP)?

00:05:59—The Drug War is far from over

00:08:45—Don't let politicians get away with empty legalization promises

00:10:45—What's the best legalization model?

00:16:26—How do we activate the youth vote?

00:19:10—Harm reduction vs. prohibition

00:22:51—Drug education and safety

00:26:33—ALL of us are on drugs

00:27:17—The Rat Park Experiment

00:29:30—How to make safe injection sites Work

00:34:48—SSDP & psychedelics

00:40:50—Shifting attitudes toward drug legalization

00:46:45—Kat Murti's career in drug policy

00:49:19—How to pursue drug policy wins despite polarization

00:51:19—Audience Q&A

Previous appearance: "Kat Murti: 'The State Has Been One of the Largest Perpetrators of Gender Inequality and Violence.'"

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