Walter Russell Mead connects the dots to show the big picture on the war in Israel, discussing its global implications. They also discuss the mistakes made by American foreign policy and China's perception of itself as a rising power and the threat it poses. The speakers explore the factors contributing to global chaos and the loss of faith in the American way, including the rise of anti-Semitism.
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Understanding the conflict in Israel requires a broader perspective, connecting geopolitical factors like the digital revolution, globalization, and the Iran deal.
The war in Israel is not just a regional conflict, but a manifestation of a world spinning out of control, reflecting a broader global war.
Countering Iran's influence is crucial, as the war in Israel is part of Iran's agenda to dominate the Middle East and poses a threat to American national security.
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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the need for historical understanding
The podcast episode discusses the ongoing war in Israel and highlights the importance of understanding the historical context of the conflict. It addresses questions about the origins of the conflict, the role of Hamas, and the establishment of Israel in 1948. The episode recommends the podcast 'Unpacking Israeli History' as a resource for gaining a deeper understanding of Israeli history.
The interconnectedness of global conflicts and the role of Walter Russell Mead
The podcast features a conversation with Walter Russell Mead, an expert in foreign affairs and humanities, who discusses how the conflict in Israel is part of a broader global war. Mead connects various geopolitical factors such as the digital revolution, globalization, and the Iran deal to show the bigger picture. He argues that the war in Israel is not just a regional conflict but a manifestation of a world spinning out of control.
The Iranian agenda and the threat to American national security
The podcast explores the Iranian agenda to dominate the Middle East and its impact on American national security. It emphasizes that the war in Israel is part of Iran's broader campaign to destabilize the region, and highlights the importance of countering Iran's influence. It also discusses how the Biden administration's approach to Iran, characterized by appeasement, has contributed to the current situation. The podcast suggests the need for a reevaluation of U.S. foreign policy in order to address the threat posed by Iran.
The Delusion of a Moderating Iran
The podcast discusses the delusion that Iran is a modern, pro-American society with hardliners simply in control. It argues against the belief that opposing the regime and pressuring it would strengthen the hardliners. This viewpoint is compared to similar delusions in history, such as the appeasement approach to Hitler in the 1930s. It suggests that maintaining pressure on Iran may be more effective in preventing a major US-Iran war.
Balancing Global Priorities
The podcast explores the idea of reevaluating America's global commitments, particularly in light of the rise of China. It suggests that in order to focus on the growing challenges posed by China, the US may need to reduce its commitments in Europe and the Middle East. This perspective is contrasted with the notion that the US is condemned to remain a global power. It argues that American leadership needs to find a balance between securing vital interests and making a case to the public about the importance of such policies.
There are a lot of experts that you may have heard on the news in the past few weeks. People who know a great deal about Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran or China or Russia—regional experts. There are also many subject matter experts who can tell us about cyber warfare or decolonization or, for example, the way that foreign governments have influenced higher education in America. All of those stories are important, but each one of those topics gives you only a slice of the whole story. What if you want to understand the whole thing?
That’s when you turn to Walter Russell Mead.
Mead, who is a columnist for The Wall Street Journal, a professor of foreign affairs and humanities at Bard College, and the author of many profound books, is able to connect what can seem like disparate dots and pull them together to show us the big picture. That’s especially critical right now. Because despite what you read in the headlines, this isn’t just a war between a terrorist group called Hamas and a small Jewish country called Israel. This is the bleeding edge of something much more widespread that has the potential to touch the lives of every American.
Right after we recorded this conversation with Walter, Yemen declared war on Israel—with Houthi rebels firing missiles at the city of Eilat—and, in a major provocation from China, Israel was removed from Baidu Maps, China’s digital maps, late on Monday night. Though I didn’t get to talk to Walter about these discrete developments, in many ways they confirm exactly what Walter expresses in this conversation: that this war isn’t just a regional conflict. That it is representative of a world, as he puts it, “spinning out of control.”