E2: The Untold History of Nuclear Energy

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Oct 27, 2023

Explore the rise and fall of nuclear power in this podcast episode, discussing its origins in small reactors, rapid scaling into gigawatt-scale reactors, and the controversy surrounding it. Learn about the narratives surrounding nuclear energy and the arguments for and against its safety and clean energy benefits. Discover the flawed policies and regulatory challenges faced by the industry, as well as the motivations behind the anti-nuclear movement. Gain insights into the factors that contributed to the decline of nuclear power, including safety concerns, economic issues, increasing regulation, and public overreaction to accidents.

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Introduction

00:00 • 2min

Exploring the Narratives of Nuclear Energy

02:00 • 4min

The Development of Nuclear Energy

05:51 • 14min

The Creation of the Atomic Energy Commission and the Promotion of Nuclear Power

20:03 • 3min

Over-promising and Boosterism: The Impact on Nuclear Reactors

22:56 • 13min

Analysis of Nuclear Energy and Its Policies

35:59 • 2min

Regulatory Challenges and Increased Costs

37:38 • 5min

The Anti-Nuclear Movement and Its Motivations

42:37 • 16min

“Nuclear fission is a miracle technology, and we've had it for 80 years. But we don't live in an energy abundant world. Because progress takes more than miracles.” Almost exactly 50 years ago, nuclear fission and large scale reactors were on track to deliver abundant, cheap energy to the globe. But instead, nuclear power declined even faster than it had scaled, becoming a pariah of the energy industry and relegated to a footnote. What actually happened? And how do we prevent it from happening again?

From nuclear’s origins in small reactors for submarines and planes after WWII to its rapid scaling into gigawatt-scale reactors in the 60s and 70s; from President Eisenhower’s calls for “atoms for peace” to the pressures of the original “decels”, the degrowth anti-nuclear environmental movement; from regulatory boosterism to regulatory overreach, the story of nuclear is one of extremes. And there’s much to learn about pushing nuclear forward in the 21st century.

Thank you to this episode’s guests: Emmet Penney, Rod Adams, Nick Touran, James Krellenstein, Bret Kugelmass, Alex Epstein, and Mark Nelson.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Two narratives of nuclear energy

(05:50) Nuclear’s early history and rise

(11:34) The start of the fall

(19:44) Five key factors that led to nuclear's decline

(20:09) Factor #1: the AEC

(25:32) Factor #2: good old-fashioned economics

(29:35) Factor #3: regulation

(41:33) Factor #4: the environmentalists

(49:13) Factor #5: the nuclear disasters

(53:00) Recap of the historical lessons

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