Original Air Date: June 10. 2020

We need a new system of policing—it’s not about bad apples, it’s about a system that incentivizes arrests and protects violence against Black people. No one knows more about policing than Dr. Phillip Goff, a PhD, a professor at John Jay, and the head of the Center for Policing Equity. He studies policing and goes into departments and helps clean them up. We talk about what’s wrong with American policing and how we can fix it.

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