Neuroscientist and author Antonio Damasio discusses his book 'Descartes' Error' and the connection between emotion, reason, and the brain. He reflects on childhood curiosity and explores the role of emotions in decision-making. Damasio also delves into consciousness and polyesthetic feelings, and expresses gratitude for a brilliant mentor.
Emotions play a significant role in decision-making, challenging the notion of rationality as the sole driver.
Antonio's deep appreciation for literature and storytelling influenced his writing style and aspirations.
Consciousness is not solely determined by cognitive abilities but is connected to the continuous generation of polyesthetic feelings.
Deep dives
The Origin of Antonio's Interest in Ideas and Science
Antonio de Blasio developed an early interest in ideas, starting with his fascination with engines and the function behind them. This curiosity eventually extended to the human mind and the exploration of how people think. He also had a keen interest in cinema and storytelling, which greatly influenced his writing style and approach to conveying ideas. He credits his philosophy professor, Joelle Sarat, for sparking his interest in studying the brain and neurology. This set him on a path to become a neurologist and delve into the intricate relationship between emotion and reason, as later explored in his renowned book, 'Descartes' Error'.
The Role of Emotion in Decision-Making
Antonio's book 'Descartes' Error' highlights the importance of emotions in decision-making, challenging the notion that rationality alone drives choices. He argues that emotions heavily influence our decisions and that even individuals who appear more reserved still experience a range of emotions that impact their reasoning. Antonio's research, based on studying patients with brain damage, revealed a significant connection between decision-making and the emotional responses generated by the brain. This perspective on the interplay between reason and emotion challenges the traditional view of rationality as the sole driver of decision-making.
Influential Authors and the Power of Storytelling
Antonio's interest in storytelling and literature spans across multiple languages and cultures. He holds a deep appreciation for authors like Fernando Pessoa, whose works empowered language with beautiful transparency. Shakespeare's plays, both in written and operatic form, captivated Antonio's imagination and influenced his love for storytelling. American authors such as Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner, and F. Scott Fitzgerald also left a lasting impact on him. Their literary artistry and ability to convey emotions directly resonated with Antonio, shaping his own writing style and aspirations.
Understanding Consciousness and the Phenomenon of Feeling
Antonio's latest book, 'Feeling and Knowing', delves into the nature of consciousness and offers a fresh perspective on the phenomenon. He emphasizes how consciousness is not solely determined by our cognitive abilities, extended mind, or reasoning capabilities. Instead, Antonio proposes that the essence of consciousness lies in the continuous generation of polyesthetic feelings, such as hunger, pain, desire, and well-being. These feelings are present in all living organisms and play a fundamental role in regulating life. 'Feeling and Knowing' simplifies the understanding of consciousness by focusing on the inherent human capacity to feel and experience life.
Reflections on the Interview and Future Directions
Cody reflects on his interview with Antonio and expresses his self-criticism, feeling that he didn't do justice to presenting Antonio's perspective in the best possible light. However, he remains grateful to Antonio for his participation and believes it's valuable to share the interview regardless. Cody also contemplates rethinking the structure of his podcast, aiming to take Antonio's ideas on seriousness and precision to heart, while also considering his own approach and the direction he wants the show to take. He concludes by thanking Antonio for his time and conversation.
This is Cognitive Revolution, my show about the personal side of the intellectual journey. Each week, I interview an eminent scientist, writer, or academic about the experiences that shaped their ideas. The show is available wherever you listen to podcasts.
Antonio Damasio is an eminent neuroscientist and author. Damasio is originally from Portugal. He is the David Dornsife Chair in Neuroscience, as well as Professor of Psychology, Philosophy, and Neurology, at USC. His books include Descartes’ Error and Self Comes to Mind. His latest book is Self Comes to Mind: Constructing the Conscious Brain. In this conversation, we trace the trajectory of his life and work from his early experiences to his most recent text.
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