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SpyTalk

SPIES AND NEO-NAZIS

Mar 31, 2022
SpyTalk discusses espionage in the context of neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Lucy Kirk, a former CIA operative, provides insight into recruitment challenges during Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The podcast explores the practices of 'walk-ins' and toxic espionage plots, as well as Ukraine's complex history and far-right factions. The conversation delves into the presence of far-right ideologies within militaries and the importance of strategic intelligence gathering.
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Quick takeaways

  • The presence of far-right groups in Ukraine's conflict has historical roots and limited influence within the political system, but in times of crisis, the Ukrainian state may see a need for these groups, bolstering their standing in society.
  • The FBI's recruitment tactic of trolling the Russian embassy in Washington is viewed as odd and ineffective, as it could lead to double agent operations and yield unclear meaningful results.

Deep dives

Foreign volunteers and the risk of far-right extremism in the Ukraine conflict

Foreign volunteers, including some with far-right and neo-Nazi sympathies, are traveling to Ukraine to participate in the conflict. While the conflict is not currently dominated by extremists, there is concern that if the conflict drags on and becomes more chaotic, the risk factor of far-right extremism could grow. Access to key decision-makers and insider information is essential for effective recruitment, and random individuals without significant access or expertise are less valuable. The presence of far-right groups in Ukraine has complicated historical roots, and their influence within the country's political system is limited. However, in times of crisis, the Ukrainian state may see a need for these groups, bolstering their standing in society.

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