Future Hindsight

Patriotism vs. Extremism: Ken Harbaugh

Feb 15, 2024

Guest Ken Harbaugh discusses the radicalization of veterans in extremist groups, the impact of the big lie on American politics, and the need to safeguard democracy against authoritarian threats. He explores the recruitment of veterans by extremist groups and emphasizes the importance of rejecting extremism to move the country forward.

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Ken Harbaugh

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Quick takeaways

Veterans are sought out by both corporate America and extremist groups, with a minority becoming radicalized due to anger and resentment.

It is crucial to safeguard democracy from the threats of extremism and disinformation, emphasizing the importance of election security and promoting dialogue with individuals attracted to extremist ideologies.

Deep dives

The Threat of Far-Right Extremism in the US

Far-right extremism in the United States is discussed, highlighting its mainstreaming and the danger it poses to democracy. The podcast features a conversation with a veteran who has explored the radicalization of other veterans within violent extremist groups.

Introduction

3min

The Threat of Extremism to Democracy

14min

Exploring the Link Between Veteran Status and Extremism

3min

The Rise of Extremism in the United States

7min

Evolution of Patriotism

6min

Hope for the Future: Young People Taking the Reins

3min

Ken Harbaugh is the host of the Burn the Boats podcast, a former United States Navy pilot, and executive producer of Against All Enemies, a documentary film that explores the critical role of military veterans in domestic violent extremist groups.

We discuss why veterans are equally sought out to work in Fortune 500 companies and to be in leadership positions of extremist groups. Most veterans make a successful transition to civilian life, but a small minority become radicalized. Anger and resentment is a common through line for them. Fueled by the big lie about the 2020 election, extremists continue to become more popular. In fact, the big lie has torn our country apart. Ken stresses that “fundamentally, our elections are secure and the will of the people will be honored in November of 2024, as it was in November of 2020.”

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