In this extended Frontline conversation, David DeBatto, a former US counterintelligence special agent and Iraq war veteran, delves into the American president’s wavering stance on Ukraine, the growing threat of hybrid warfare across Europe, and the strategic implications of Russia’s alliances with North Korea and China. He argues for a unified Western response to these escalating challenges.

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