E1075: Cendana Capital’s Michael Kim on investing in Seed funds as a serial LP, Robinhood as an acquisition target, greatest Seed funds of all time & more
Jun 16, 2020
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Join Michael Kim from Cendana Capital, an expert in fund of funds investing, as he dives into the intricacies of seed funds. Discover why ownership percentages matter so much and what traits make a great seed fund manager. Kim shares his insights on the current influx of new fund managers and the strategic advantages of secondary share sales. The discussion even touches on whether Robinhood might be a target for acquisition and why now is an excellent time to invest in early-stage startups as the landscape shifts dramatically.
A fund of funds model allows investors to access diverse seed investments, simplifying management for those without specialized expertise.
Ownership stakes of 10 to 20 percent are crucial for fund managers, influencing their returns and overall investment success.
The pandemic has forced a reevaluation of investment strategies, emphasizing resilient companies that can thrive amid economic challenges.
Deep dives
Understanding Fund of Funds
A fund of funds serves as an investment management firm that aggregates capital from various institutional investors, family offices, and individuals. This capital is then strategically allocated to invest in other venture capital funds, allowing for exposure to a wider selection of potential investment opportunities. The operational model of a fund of funds provides an avenue for larger investors, such as universities and small foundations, to gain access to seed funds that may not directly suit their investment strategies. This structure is particularly beneficial for those without the resources or expertise to effectively manage seed investments independently.
The Importance of Ownership in Investments
Ownership is a critical factor for fund managers when seeking to invest in seed funds, as it significantly impacts returns. Fund managers are encouraged to aim for a 10 to 20 percent ownership stake in their portfolio companies to ensure that their investments yield meaningful returns. This concept is especially pertinent for smaller funds, where even a modest ownership percentage can lead to substantial financial outcomes. Therefore, it is essential for fund managers to understand the dynamics of ownership and how it correlates with the success of their investments.
Assessing Fund Manager Quality
Evaluating fund managers requires a careful examination of their networks, drive, and vision, along with their reputation within the investment community. Fund managers with prior entrepreneurial experience tend to possess the credibility necessary to lead successful investments, as their background fosters trust among founders seeking investment. Traits such as integrity and the ability to collaborate effectively are also valued since they tend to attract partnerships with talented entrepreneurs. Understanding these qualities aids in distinguishing between successful fund managers and those who might struggle to deliver results.
Navigating Market Conditions During COVID-19
The recent pandemic has forced fund managers to adapt their investment strategies amidst unprecedented market fluctuations. Many are modifying their approach by assessing their existing portfolio for financial stability and prioritizing companies capable of navigating tough economic climates. While valuation fears have presented challenges, there remains optimism for continued funding in innovative sectors, particularly those offering remote solutions. This period encourages a return to fundamental valuations and finding promising companies that can withstand adverse conditions.
The Future of Investing Post-Pandemic
The transitions triggered by the pandemic have sparked a reevaluation of work dynamics, with remote operations potentially leading to cost-effective business models. Companies that utilize resources more efficiently might emerge as stronger players, benefiting from both lower overhead costs and increased employee satisfaction. This environment may create a higher quality of innovation as emerging companies become adept at adapting to evolving market demands. As the industry navigates this new landscape, a focus on sustainable practices and creativity could lead to a renaissance in entrepreneurial ventures.
0:38 Jason talks about the now fully-virtual LAUNCH Accelerator and intros Cendana Capital's Michael Kim
2:47 What is a fund of funds & why do they exist? History of raising Cendana's first fund
6:06 Portfolio construction of fund of funds
10:19 Why ownership percentage is paramount, ideal ownership % for Seed funds, what makes a great Seed fund manager
17:04 How do fund of funds make money?
18:51 Hedging bets by selling secondary shares to generate liquid cash for LPs
24:33 Michael on Call of Duty, using secondary shares to win a deal
30:46 What was the greatest Seed fund ever raised?
32:42 What is the ideal number of managers in a Seed fund?
36:38 What has the last 90 days been like for Cendana? Influx of new fund managers into the market
41:50 How fast is Cendana in making decisions compared to institutional LPs?
44:47 Will there be a wave of white-collar layoffs, and how will COVID change large tech companies?
52:29 Writing small "pilot" checks over Zoom, venture/growth fund deployment, which companies in non-obvious markets will come out of COVID in great shape?
1:03:37 Robinhood as an acquisition target (Should Facebook buy it?), Dropbox/Slack merger
1:06:17 Why right now is the best time to invest in the early-stage
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