The Charlie Kirk Show The Real Scoop on "Separation of Church and State"
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Nov 28, 2025 Kelly Shackelford, a leading religious freedom lawyer and president of the First Liberty Institute, discusses the growing strength of religious liberties in America. He debunks myths around the 'wall of separation' between church and state, highlighting recent Supreme Court victories that empower individuals' rights. Topics include school vouchers for religious education, workplace religious accommodations, and the implications of shifting cultural and judicial landscapes. Shackelford emphasizes that religious freedom is about practice, not power.
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Religious Freedom Has Rebounded
- Recent Supreme Court rulings have expanded religious freedom beyond prior limits, restoring long-diminished protections.
- Kelly Shackelford says four major wins in 13 months reversed decades of hostile precedent toward public religious expression.
'Wall Of Separation' Is A Judicial Invention
- The phrase 'separation of church and state' is not in the Constitution but arose from later court interpretation.
- Shackelford attributes widespread removals of religious symbols to the 1971 Lemon decision and its 7,000 subsequent citations.
Coach Kennedy's Prayer At Center Field
- Coach Joe Kennedy kneeled to pray after games for years and was fired for it.
- The Supreme Court ruled for him and explicitly overruled Lemon, restoring teachers' and coaches' public faith rights.
