A Leading Philosopher Makes The Case for Degrowth (w/ Kohei Saito)
May 27, 2024
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A leading philosopher, Kohei Saito, discusses 'degrowth communism' as a solution to capitalism's destructive tendencies. The podcast explores the need for degrowth, critiques sustainability initiatives, and advocates for alternative economic models emphasizing reduced consumption and decommodification. Saito challenges GDP as a measure of progress and promotes de-growth communism to address environmental and social challenges.
Professor Kohei Saito's bestselling book 'Capital in the Anthropocene' advocates for viewing population decline and economic stagnation as a chance for Marxist reinvention in Japan.
Saito critiques capitalism's inability to address societal problems and advocates for degrowth post-capitalism to combat ecological and social destruction.
Deep dives
The Fundamental Crisis of the Anthropocene
The podcast delves into the fundamental crisis of the anthropocene, a geological epoch marked by human activities drastically altering the planet through massive consumption of fossil fuels. This crisis, exemplified by the climate crisis, is predicted to worsen, leading to economic inequality, resource scarcity, inflation, and destabilization, ultimately culminating in conflicts and wars. This intersectional crisis encompasses capital accumulation, ecological degradation, and a democratic crisis, necessitating new ideas to combat its multifaceted challenges.
Transition to the Anthropocene
The podcast explores the concept of the anthropocene, an era where human economic activities have fundamentally reshaped nature and the planet. Economic actions, such as infrastructure development and waste production, have disrupted ecosystems, blurring the distinction between nature and human activity. This age signifies a shift where nature is no longer untouched by human endeavors but deeply influenced by economic actions, ushering in a new geological epoch defined by our interactions with the environment.
Critique of Sustainable Development Goals
The podcast critiques the conventional approach to combating environmental breakdown through sustainability measures, like the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. It highlights that individual behavior modifications advocated by such initiatives are insufficient in addressing systemic issues like the ecological crisis. Central to this critique is the failure to recognize that ecological challenges are system-level issues caused by capitalist structures driven by profit motives, necessitating a deep-seated transformation rather than surface-level behavioral changes.
Challenges of Green Growth and Decoupling
The podcast challenges the idea that decoupling carbon emissions from economic growth can sustain environmentally detrimental models of continuous economic expansion. Proposals like the Green New Deal that rely on technological advancements and state interventions to drive green growth are scrutinized for perpetuating the capitalist narrative of infinite growth. The discussion emphasizes that substantial reductions in consumption and production are imperative to avert climate catastrophe, highlighting the urgency of transitioning to degrowth post-capitalism for environmental sustainability.
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Marxist philosophers do not often write bestsellers, but as the New York Times wrote in a profile of today's guest, Kohei Saito's work has unexpectedly taken Japan by storm:
"When Kohei Saito decided to write about “degrowth communism,” his editor was understandably skeptical. Communism is unpopular in Japan. Economic growth is gospel. So a book arguing that Japan should view its current condition of population decline and economic stagnation not as a crisis, but as an opportunity for Marxist reinvention, sounded like a tough sell. But sell it has. Since its release in 2020, Mr. Saito’s book “Capital in the Anthropocene” has sold more than 500,000 copies, exceeding his wildest imaginings. Mr. Saito, a philosophy professor at the University of Tokyo, appears regularly in Japanese media to discuss his ideas. ... Mr. Saito has tapped into what he describes as a growing disillusionment in Japan with capitalism’s ability to solve the problems people see around them, whether caring for the country’s growing older population, stemming rising inequality or mitigating climate change."
Prof. Saito's book has caught on in Japan because it is a powerful statement of an important and challenging set of ideas. Saito points out the ecologically and socially destructive tendencies of capitalism, and argues for an alternative way of structuring the economy and society that could leave us (and the planet) better off. He calls these ideas "degrowth communism." Today he joins us to explain what he means, to respond to myths and challenges, and clear up misconceptions. Saito's book Slow Down: The Degrowth Manifesto is now available in English.
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