Top National Geographic photographer Kiliii Yüyan joined the show to discuss traditional ecological knowledge (TEK) and why Indigenous communities are the world’s most effective conservationists.

Yüyan spoke about this with us in March 2023 and we're sharing the episode again after it recently won a 'Best coverage of Indigenous communities' prize from the Indigenous Media Awards.

While the National Geographic version of "Guardians of Life" is now published, the collaboration between Gleb Raygorodetsky and Yüyan will be published in book form in 2025. Sign up at Raygorodetsky's website here to be notified when it’s out.

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Image Credit: With a dip net, Karuk fisherman Ryan Reed searches for Chinook salmon under the watchful eye of his father, Ron, on California's Klamath River at Ishi Pishi Falls in October 2020. The Reeds caught no fish in stark contrast to earlier times. Before California became a state, the river saw about 500,000 salmon each fall, but last year just 53,954 mature Chinook swam up, a 90 percent decline. The nation now restricts salmon fishing to Ishi Pishi Falls, but with the slated removal of four dams, the Karuk hope the salmon will return. Image (c) Kiliii Yuyan.

Time Codes

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(00:00) Indigenous peoples: the world's best conservationists

(02:31) Who are the Guardians of Life?

(07:30) Some of Kiliii's favorite memories

(10:39) 'People are not separate from nature'

(18:04) 'Two-eyed seeing': combining Western and Indigenous science

(23:30) Advice from an Indigenous storyteller

(27:26) The Impact of storytelling

(30:52) A kayak is not a ship

(34:02) The Guardians of Life book

(39:50) Credits

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