British musician Billy Bragg joins Adam to discuss their meeting at Glastonbury, the importance of manners on social media, being a progressive patriot, old-fashioned ways of listening to music, encounters with Neil Young and Stanley Kubrick, and their shared love for a particular brand of pudding.
Music has the power to create connections and a sense of solidarity among people.
Billy Bragg's evolution as an artist and political thinker emphasizes the importance of empathy and compassion.
Skiffle, a genre of music popular in the UK, played a significant role in shaping British pop music and inspiring future rock and roll bands.
Deep dives
Billy Bragg's Early Music Career and Activism
This podcast episode features an enjoyable and rambling conversation with English writer and musician Billy Bragg. They discuss his early music career, including how he learned to play guitar and formed his first punky pub rock band called Riffraff. Billy also shares his frustrations with the music industry and his decision to make the music he wanted to hear. Alongside his music, Billy discusses his ongoing political activism, his writing career, and his thoughts on the balance between free speech and accountability.
The Power of Music and Empathy
Billy Bragg emphasizes the power of music to bring people together and create a sense of solidarity. He describes how music allows individuals to feel that they are not alone in their emotions and experiences. Billy highlights that empathy is the currency of music and explains the importance of communal experiences where audiences can come together and feel a connection through the music.
Billy Bragg's Personal Journey and Reflections
Billy Bragg shares personal stories and reflections, including his experiences growing up in Barkin and his family history. He discusses his approach to songwriting and the role it has played in his life. Billy also delves into conversations about identity, Englishness, and his views on nationalism and internationalism.
Billy Bragg's Touring Experiences and Memories
Billy Bragg recalls touring experiences, including his tour with Echo and the Bunnymen in the 1980s, where he had the chance to explore America for the first time. He also shares memories of recording his album in Barkin and his connection to the local area. Billy highlights the power of music to create connections and bring people together.
Skiffle: The Forgotten Influence on British Pop Music
Skiffle, a genre of music popularized in the UK in the 1950s, played a significant role in shaping British pop music. Led by artists like Lonnie Donegan, skiffle introduced the guitar to British youth and provided a musical connection to African-American roots music. Skiffle bands, often consisting of young teenagers playing guitars, an improvised bass made from a tea chest, and a washboard for percussion, laid the foundation for future rock and roll bands. Skiffle's influence can be seen in British acts like The Beatles and Led Zeppelin, who were inspired by its DIY spirit and bluesy sound.
Billy Bragg: From Radicalism to Empathy
Billy Bragg, a renowned musician and political activist, reflects on his evolution as an artist and political thinker. While Bragg's early music was marked by radicalism and strong leftist ideals, he has shifted towards a more pragmatic and empathetic approach. He emphasizes the importance of empathy and compassion in socialism, highlighting that it should be rooted in holding capitalism accountable and creating a society based on equality and liberty. Bragg believes that cynicism undermines the potential for positive change and urges others to challenge the idea that nothing will ever change. He also discusses his missed opportunity to meet Bob Dylan and the balance between political passion and open dialogue with others.
Adam talks with English musician Billy Bragg about the time they met in Glastonbury when Billy was keeping some unexpected company, why manners matter on social media, the challenge of being a progressive patriot, what posters Billy had on his wall as a boy, Dial-A-Disc and other ways we listened to music in the olden days, why Neil Young and Stanley Kubrick made their way to Barking, the fondness that Billy and I share for a certain brand of pudding, how Billy's approach to politics has evolved over the years, the fascinating place that Skiffle holds in music history and close encounters with Bob Dylan and David Bowie.
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This conversation was recorded face to face in London on August 1st, 2023
Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing.