In this Australian Finance Podcast episode, Owen Rask sits down with Pearler co-founder and CTO Hayden Smith to talk all things money, investing, mindset, AI, and financial tech. They explore:

– How Hayden thinks about saving and frugality

– What AI means for investors, workers, and platforms like Pearler

– The story behind Hayden’s famous wisdom teeth money hack

– How Pearler is building investing tools for real humans

– Lessons from being a software engineer in an AI world

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Topics Covered

– Hayden’s unconventional wisdom teeth money-saving story

– Why he compares personal finance to skill-building

– How his money mindset has evolved with age & net worth

– Frugality vs. growth: what spending teaches you

– What Pearler got wrong early (and what it’s becoming now)

– Hayden’s take on AI's impact on software, investing & platforms

– What “vibe coding” is — and why it matters

– The truth about passive income tools & automation

– Behind the scenes: how Pearler's UI is built around goals

– The problem with overengineering in finance

– Why simple investing is hard — and where tech can help

– Advice for young people navigating careers in the AI era

– How to develop competence (and why it’s underrated)

– Why diversification matters in life AND investing

– What the future of investing platforms could look like

Chapters (approximate)

(00:00) Introduction

(03:45) Financial Decisions and Personal Growth

(09:22) Building Pearler: Challenges and Community

(10:49) Product Development and Learning from Mistakes

(13:19) The Future of Investment Platforms

(17:22) Admiring Simplicity in Financial Apps

(23:35) Vibe Coding: A New Approach to Software Development

(26:39) The Rise of Entrepreneurial Innovation

(28:54) AI's Impact on Engineering and Coding

(31:43) The Changing Landscape of Professional Skills

(33:27) Industries Ripe for AI Disruption

(35:25) Career Advice in the Age of AI

(39:25) Investing in a Tech-Driven Future

(41:06) Transforming Financial Services and Real Estate

(48:49) Understanding Energy Costs for Savings

Resources for this episode

Hanging with Hayden YouTube channel

Aussie Fire podcast with Dave & Hayden

Invest with Pearler

Buy Gemma’s book “The Money Reset”

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