Host Reed Galen is joined by fellow Lincoln Project Co-Founder Rick Wilson to discuss how Ron DeSantis is approaching the threshold of being fascist (if he isn’t already there), the weakness of Kevin McCarthy on the national debt ceiling (and the House GOP as a whole), and why the fight to preserve our nation’s democracy must remain top of mind for the pro-democracy coalition. If you’d like to connect with The Lincoln Project, send an email to podcast@lincolnproject.us.

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