Aubrey Marcus Podcast

Israel-Hamas: The Impossible Questions w/ Dr. Marc Gafni # 435

Oct 20, 2023

The podcast explores navigating through pain and horror in the Israel-Hamas conflict, emphasizing the importance of taking a side in favor of life and love. It discusses the use of tobacco snuff as a grounding tool and the wisdom of indigenous elders. The speakers also highlight the importance of finding a shared story in the conflict, addressing the difficult questions of war and innocent people being killed. They explore the root causes of Hamas's brutality and the degradation of Christianity in the white South. The chapter also emphasizes the importance of seeking the truth and holding onto values in the midst of uncertainty.

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Recognizing different levels of consciousness and values is essential for understanding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Distorted narratives hinder clarity and understanding needed to find a resolution.

Distinguishing between the actions of individuals and larger communities is crucial to understanding the conflict.

Seeking truth, making moral distinctions, and upholding values are necessary for transcending old rivalries and creating a new humanity.

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Different levels of consciousness in conflict

There are different levels of consciousness and values among different groups engaged in the conflict. One level is characterized by binary sides, another by a rejection of taking any sides, and a third level recognizes the distinction between good and evil. This understanding is essential for creating a shared story of value and promoting a culture of love.

Moral Distinction in War

01:21

The Power of Infusing Desire with Dharma

01:22

Embracing Passion and Aliveness for a Real Vision

01:29

No Jubilation in Killing

01:06

Introduction

2min

Tobacco Snuff and Indigenous Wisdom

5min

Navigating Uncertainty and Finding Orientation

18min

Finding a Shared Story in the Israel-Hamas Conflict

32min

The Difficult Questions of War and the Perspective of the Dalai Lama

2min

Root Causes of Hamas's Brutality

32min

The Degradation of Christianity in the South

16min

Uncertainty and Struggle for Truth

8min

Exploring Uncertainty and Value in the World

1min

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Beliefs, Values, and the Tragic Circumstances of Terrorism

10min

Note to Listener from Aubrey Marcus and Dr. Marc Gafni

We are at a time between worlds, at a time between stories. We live in a world of outrageous pain. We live in a world of outrageous beauty. We live in a world of outrageous love.

In this time between stories, we step beyond the old stories of good and evil in its primitive forms. But that does not mean that we are moral relativists or that value is not real. Indeed all of reality, all of life is Value. We can feel the truth of this in our bodies. We may not be able to explain it perfectly, but when we feel we know. And this is what gives us courage to stand on the side of Life.

And to stand on the side of Life is to take a side. A stand for Life, is by nature a stand against anti-Life, or anti-Value. What that means about what should be done is a question of impossible complexity, pain and uncertainty.

We stand for a culture of Eros against a culture of death. We stand for intimacy against alienation. This requires us to be both tender and fierce, to stand for Life against the forces of anti-life. It is not that there is no value in the universe and therefore naturally no battle between value and anti-value. Value is real.

Good and Evil are real. But good and evil are not split along racial or national, or ethnic or religious grounds. This is a seductively simple conception, that in and of itself is the cause of so much horror.

In our formulation, Good and Evil is discerned simply: To be Good is to be ALL IN FOR ALL LIFE. No one is outside of the circle of Life.

To be All in for All Life requires the cultivation of radical discernment within a broken information ecology, and full blown 5th generational warfare in the form of attention hijacking and propaganda. To stand for Life means to make love to the tender sensuality of sense making. Feeling our way slowly and carefully, but not with timidity masking as humility. Evil is evil. As much as we might be tempted, we cannot be afraid to call it what it is. Within that is a rejection of universal moral relativism. It is a solemn vow to protect the innocent, all of the innocent, and to protect the world from being held hostage by the forces of anti-life - wherever they are found.

We speak with broken hearts, with clarity, but always in the unknowing. Always in devotion to the Mystery, while always whispering love in every distinction with every breath.

It is our prayer that this inspires a story that is unifying rather than dividing. Clarifying rather than confusing. It is a prayer for all Life. Comments will be off on this video, so that everyone can watch it and feel with their own hearts and minds.

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