What if pain isn’t something to fix or escape—but a wise, living presence asking for our attention?

In this episode, Jennifer sits down with writer and therapist Lisa Olivera for a heartfelt conversation about relating to pain as a wise teacher, rather than an adversary. Drawing from Lisa’s personal journey—shaped by early experiences with a culture that teaches us to avoid pain—they explore:

The social narratives that keep us from feeling fully
The role of somatic practice in understanding our body’s intelligence
What it means to approach suffering with reverence
The slow, courageous path toward collective belonging

This episode invites you to deepen your fluency with feeling —in your body, the mystery of life and one another.

Links & Resources:

Learn more about Lisa’s therapeutic and written work
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Get Already Enough, Lisa Olivera’s first book
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Gratitude for this show’s theme song Inside the House, composed by the talented Yukon musician, multi-instrumentalist and sound artist Jordy Walker. Artwork by the imaginative writer, filmmaker and artist Jon Marro.

Fluency in Feeling with Lisa Olivera