Defending Pornography, Hate Speech and the ACLU: Nadine Strossen on The Unspeakable
Apr 29, 2024
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Legal scholar and free speech advocate Nadine Strossen discusses defending pornography, hate speech, and changes in the ACLU. Topics include generational divides on harmful words, campus speech codes, and the decision to remain child-free. Strossen reflects on her career, historical debates on free speech, defending controversial content, and navigating complexities in education and civil liberties. The conversation delves into internal ACLU conflicts, evolving feminism, and promoting open dialogue and diverse expression.
Nadine Strossen advocates for defending free speech in contentious cases like Skokie, emphasizing ongoing vigilance for civil liberties protection.
Exploring the complexities of free speech within feminist discourse, Strossen discusses the impact of the anti-pornography movement on gender discrimination and differing views on sexual expression.
The podcast highlights the evolving nature of education and societal dynamics impacting speech issues, emphasizing the importance of empowering individuals to exercise freedom of speech in the face of evolving norms and educational frameworks.
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Championing Free Speech and Advocacy Against Censorship
Legendary free speech advocate Nadine Strossen discusses her long-term involvement in defending free speech, starting from contentious cases like the Skokie case. She emphasizes the ongoing importance of vigilance to protect civil liberties, citing historical cases and the challenges faced by subsequent generations in upholding free speech principles.
Evolution of Feminist Movements and Complexities of Free Speech
Exploring the historical shifts in feminist movements, the conversation delves into the complexities of free speech within feminist discourse. Discussed is the anti-pornography movement's impact on free speech, the intersections of gender discrimination, and the differing views on sexual expression between radical feminists and conservatives.
Social Dynamics, Education, and Empowerment on Speech Issues
The podcast highlights the evolving nature of education and social dynamics impacting speech issues, particularly on college campuses. It touches on the shift in approach towards speech, the challenges in fostering open dialogue, and the importance of empowering individuals to exercise their freedom of speech while facing evolving societal norms and educational frameworks.
Interaction with Diverse Student Groups
One of the main points discussed in the podcast is the speaker's interaction with various student groups like black law students, Jewish law students, gay law students, Muslim law students, and women law students. Through this engagement, the speaker encouraged the students to consult with their groups to identify important challenges or questions to discuss. This approach led to active discussions and a well-received lecture, demonstrating a constructive way to engage with students holding diverse perspectives.
Challenges in Teaching Sensitive Topics
The podcast also delves into the challenges faced in teaching sensitive topics like rape and sexual assault, particularly in law schools. There is a highlighted concern about students' reactions to discussing such topics, with examples of female law students feeling triggered by the subject of rape in the classroom. The discussion extends to the evolving attitudes towards speech and violence on college campuses, where there is a growing perception that words can equate to violence, impacting academic freedom and the ability to discuss differing viewpoints freely.
This week, Meghan talks with legal scholar, former law professor, and legendary free speech advocate Nadine Strossen.
Nadine was president of the American Civil Liberties Union from 1991 to 2008 and she’s the author of many books, including Defending Pornography, which has just been reissued nearly 30 years after its original publication. In this wide-ranging conversation, Nadine talks about pornography, campus speech codes, generational divides when it comes to ideas about words causing harm, and changes in institutions like the ACLU.
This week, almost the entire conversation is available to everyone, but paying Substack subscribers get a fascinating and very funny tangent at the end about a subject (mostly) unrelated to free speech: the subject of choosing not to have children. Nadine always knew she never wanted kids and she talks candidly about what was behind that impulse and how she feels about it now that she’s in her 70s.
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Nadine Strossen, New York Law School Professor Emerita and Senior Fellow at FIRE (the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression), was national President of the American Civil Liberties Union from 1991 to 2008. An internationally acclaimed free speech scholar and advocate, who regularly addresses diverse audiences and provides media commentary around the world, Strossen also serves on the Advisory Boards of several organizations that promote free speech and academic freedom.