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I’ve been trying to arrange a chat with Pattie Gonia, aka Wyn Wiley, for a while now and we finally made it happen. As their Instagram bio puts it, Pattie is a ‘queer environmentalist bringing drag outdoors’ and is yer genuine Instagram phenomenon, going from 0 to 300k followers very rapidly indeed and snagging coverage from everyone from Outside to The Guardian along the way.

It isn’t difficult to understand why. The outdoor and action sports industry can be an extremely conventional and heteronormative environment and a talented communicator like Pattie was always going to stand out, especially given how effortlessly she enables discussion on what can be challenging and complex topics. This conversation, in which we discussed everything from the history of drag to the divide between our public and hidden selves, is a brilliant example of that.

I personally enjoyed this conversation, which unfolded and leapt off into unexpected directions, enormously. I’m hugely grateful to Wyn Pattie for the generosity, thoughtfulness and kindness with which they approached this episode. Hope you enjoy it too.

Thanks to Matt Ward for the theme tune, and to my editor Fina Charleson.

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