DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: Interview with Reality Winner

CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou and political cartoonist Ted Rall interview whistleblower Reality Winner. Reality Leigh Winner is a former U.S. Air Force veteran, linguist, and NSA contractor whose life took a dramatic turn in 2017.

Raised by a politically engaged family—her father, a brilliant but unstable philosopher, ignited her passion for ancient languages like Pashto and Farsi—she enlisted post-9/11, driven by unyielding patriotism. Deployed to support U.S. operations in Afghanistan, she honed her skills as a translator, facilitating intelligence missions.

At 25, working for the NSA in Augusta, Georgia, Winner stumbled upon a classified report detailing Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election via cyberattacks on voting systems. She leaked the document to The Intercept, believing it vital for democracy. Instead, journalistic misconduct led the FBI straight to her door.

Arrested and charged under the Espionage Act, she pleaded guilty, receiving the longest sentence ever for a single leak: five years and three months in federal prison, plus three years' supervised release. Released in 2021, Winner endured house arrest and ankle monitoring while rebuilding, now a CrossFit coach and aspiring veterinary technologist in Texas.

Her story inspired plays, films like Reality (2023), and documentaries. In her poignant 2025 memoir, "I Am Not Your Enemy," she chronicles her childhood, the leak's moral calculus, prison's dehumanizing toll, and resilient quest for truth—affirming she's no foe, but a hero who paid dearly for conscience.