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“How Gay is the Vatican?” by rba

Apr 7, 2025
14:04

The catholic church has always had a complicated relationship with homosexuality.

The central claim of Frederic Martel's 2019 book In the Closet of the Vatican is that the majority of the church's leadership in Rome are semi-closeted homosexuals, or more colorfully, "homophiles".

So the omnipresence of homosexuals in the Vatican isn’t just a matter of a few black sheep, or the ‘net that caught the bad fish’, as Josef Ratzinger put it. It isn’t a ‘lobby’ or a dissident movement; neither is it a sect of Freemasonry inside the holy see: it's a system. It isn’t a tiny minority; it's a big majority.

At this point in the conversation, I ask Francesco Lepore to estimate the size of this community, all tendencies included.

‘I think the percentage is very high. I’d put it at around 80 percent.’

During a discussion with a non-Italian archbishop, whom I met [...]

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Outline:

(02:40) Background

(04:23) Data

(06:40) Analysis

(07:25) Expected versus Actual birth order, with missing birth order

(09:03) Expected versus Actual birth order, without missing birth order

(09:46) Oldest sibling versus youngest sibling

(10:21) Discussion

(13:09) Conclusion

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First published:
April 6th, 2025

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ybwqL9HiXE8XeauPK/how-gay-is-the-vatican

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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

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Images from the article:

Statistical graph comparing completed family size distribution with statistical models using colored lines/bars.
Database table showing birth records of religious figures from 17th-20th centuries.
Statistical table showing coefficients of same-sex union entry, with sibling variables.

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