Masha Gessen, a notable staff writer at The New Yorker, and Jade McGlynn, a researcher at King's College London and author of "Russia's War," dive into why many Russians still support Putin's war despite its adverse effects. They discuss the oppressive nature of Russia's regime and how it shapes public sentiment, often stifling dissent. The conversation explores the complexities of Russian volunteerism, the trauma faced by displaced Ukrainians, and the surprising ways societal beliefs remain intact against the backdrop of ongoing conflict.
Russians' support for the war in Ukraine is influenced by circumstances such as forced evacuations and the need for medical assistance in Russia.
The deeply ingrained totalitarian system in Russia stifles public opposition and makes it difficult for individuals to develop their own viewpoints.
Deep dives
Reasons for Russian support for the war in Ukraine
Despite the war's impact on Russia, including drone strikes in Moscow and a near coup by Yevgeny Pragosian, there has been no uprising against the war from ordinary Russians. Masha Gessen suggests that Russians' support for the war is rooted in various circumstances. Some Ukrainians have been forcibly evacuated from occupied territories, some faced a choice between staying and facing dire consequences or leaving for Russia, and others had family or medical needs that could only be met in Russia. Russia's goal is to colonize Ukraine and suppress its national identity, making it advantageous for them to move Ukrainians to Russia. However, this also puts them in difficult conditions and remote areas. Despite these challenges, a network of Russian volunteers risks everything to help Ukrainians in Russia, driven by opposition to the war or a sense of responsibility. This volunteer effort brings together people who vehemently oppose the war and those who support it.
The influence of the totalitarian system on Russian support for the war
Masha Gessen emphasizes that in a totalitarian society like Russia, individuals are prevented from forming their own opinions and dissenting is discouraged. The psychic cost of feeling different from those around you grows as the war worsens and people are directly affected by it. Even if Russians suffer due to the war, the deeply ingrained totalitarian system prevents widespread opposition. The language used to describe Russian support for the war may not be entirely appropriate, as public opinion is stifled and people do not have sufficient information to develop their own viewpoints. This limited freedom of thought and the associated psychological burden make it difficult for Russians to protest or oppose the war.
Potential outcomes and the future of the war and Russian people
Despite the suffering experienced by ordinary Russians, it is uncertain if and when they will turn against the war. The system created by Vladimir Putin's regime appears resilient, making change difficult. However, the worsening economic conditions, increasing conscription, and physical impact of the war could potentially lead to a change of regime, whether through a military-led coup or other means. A change in leadership would provide an opportunity for Ukraine to negotiate with Russia and potentially end the war. While sympathy for the Russian people is limited due to their potential choices and access to information, the hope remains that Ukraine will ultimately triumph and peace will prevail.
Putin's war is hurting Russians, too. Writer Masha Gessen and researcher Jade McGlynn explain why public opinion doesn't reflect that.
This episode was produced by Amanda Lewellyn, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by David Herman, and hosted by Noel King.