Michael Shannon (Knives Out, The Shape Of Water) and Jason Narducy (Superchunk, Bob Mould) met while playing in a Lou Reed cover band put together by Robbie Fulks, and their friendship has only gotten more interesting from there.

On the occasion of the new musical Verböten — which tells the story of Jason’s real-life punk band that formed when he was just 11 years old — opening at Chicago's Chopin Theatre, the old friends sat down for a wonderful conversation. Tune in for insider stories of Michael's newest film Knives Out, Jason's journey to seeing Verböten through to curtain, hangs with The Pretenders' Chrissie Hynde, and so much more.

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Michael Shannon with Jason Narducy