In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Michael Pahle, head of the Climate and Energy Policy Working Group at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, about the clean energy transition in Germany. Pahle discusses the history of Germany’s energy transition, the nation’s current decarbonization goals, the relationship between national climate policy and European climate policy, and lessons from decades of German energy policy. References and recommendations: “The Tragedy of Stopping Climate Change” by Jessi Jezewska Stevens; https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/09/climate-change-narratives-sense-of-an-ending/