Jeffrey Smalldon talks with "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley about his new book, "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Fifty Years of Conversations with Killers." He recounts his many face to face conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, Donald Harvey, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme and many others. This is Part 2 of 2 parts with Jeffrey Smalldon, and this bonus episode originally ran on October 14, 2024.

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WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

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WTKR News 3: Colonial Parkway Murders podcast records in Yorktown:

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WVEC 13 News Now: Live Podcast to Discuss Colonial Parkway Murders Monday in Yorktown

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Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

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Daily Beast: "Inside the Maddening Search for Virginia’s Colonial Parkway Serial Killer" By Justin Rohrlich

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-happened-to-cathleen-thomas-and-rebecca-dowski-inside-the-hunt-for-the-colonial-parkway-killer

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Washington Post Op-Ed Piece by Deidre Enright of the Innocence Project:

"The FBI should use DNA, not posters, to solve a cold-case murder"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/25/julie-williams-laura-winans-unsolved-murder-test-dna/

Oxygen: "Loni Coombs Feels A Kinship To 'Lovers' Lane' Victim Cathy Thomas"

Loni Coombs felt an immediate connection to Cathy Thomas, a groundbreaking gay woman who broke through barriers at the U.S. Naval Academy before she was brutally murdered along the Colonial Parkway in Virginia.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/loni-coombs-feels-a-kinship-to-colonial-parkway-victim-cathy-thomas

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Oxygen" "Who Were The Colonial Parkway Murder Victims? 8 Young People All Killed In Virginia Within 4 Years" https://www.oxygen.com/lovers-lane-murders/crime-news/who-were-the-colonial-parkway-murder-victims

Washington Post Magazine: "Victims, Families and America’s Thirst for True-Crime Stories." "For Bill Thomas, his sister Cathy’s murder is a deeply personal tragedy. For millions of true-crime fans, it’s entertainment." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/07/30/feature/victims-families-and-americas-thirst-for-true-crime-stories/

Daily Press excellent series of articles on the Colonial Parkway Murders: "The Parkway" http://digital.dailypress.com/static/parkway_cottage/main/index.html

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BONUS: That Beast Was Not Me: Five Decades of Conversations with Killers (Part 2)