Sentientism 158: "A Philosophy for the Science of Animal Consciousness" - Walter Veit - Sentientism
Walter is an inter-disciplinary philosopher. He works primarily on the Philosophy of Cognitive and Biological Sciences, the Philosophy of Mind, Applied Ethics and particularly in the intersections of those fields. Much of his recent work has focused on animal minds, welfare, and ethics, as well as evolution. His new book ‘A Philosophy for the Science of Animal Consciousness‘ integrates this research into a coherent whole. It is being launched today (16th June) with Routledge.
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We discuss:
00:00 Taster clips!
01:02 Welcome
02:22 Book Launch: A Philosophy for the Science of Animal Consciousness
03:40 Walter's Intro
- Peter Godfrey-Smith & Paul Griffiths
- "An evolutionary, non-anthropocentric approach"
- "A lot of the denial of pain [e.g. fish, crustaceans, octopuses] has rested on a very #anthropocentric position"
- Some animals have different eyes vs. humans but that doesn't mean they can't see. The same applies re: the architectures underpinning consciousness
- "what animal lives are like... what kinds of subjective experiences would be useful for them to have from a #Darwinian perspective"
- Studying consciousness "as a natural phenomenon... rather than... as a human phenomenon"
- Did human social contexts (barter, trade, co-operation, agreements) lead to us having more abstract cognitive facilities?
- Modern discoveries re: advanced cognitive and social capabilities in non-human animals (e.g. corvids, octopuses)
10:53 A Darwinian Perspective
- Daniel Dennett "Complexity matters - but what kind of compexity"
- IIT & HigherOrderTheory
- Brain hemispheres operating more independently. Two separate streams of experience?
- Theories of consciousness that are untestable or fail to make predictions
- Panpsychism, illusionism
- "The Darwinian bottleneck"
- "Philosophers very rarely ask the question 'where does the mind come from?'"
- "In order to understand how it works we'll need to understand why it evolved"
- "We can only understand what consciousness is by understanding how it evolved"
- Evolution & development processes
- Epiphenomena
- Marian Dawkins
- "This attitude that anything goes in the literature... it doesn't seem like we're making any progress... we're just creating new outlandish views without having any means of trying to filter them out... like panpsychism"
- JW: "It's very common for people to say 'we know nothing about consciousness' which I find a bizarre statement"
- "We've made so much scientific progress"
- "There are some mental properties that are unique to humans but it's very unclear those are the ones that matter for moral purposes"
20:31 The Origins of Sentience & Consciousness
- "It is adaptationist... very complex phenomena don't just appear out of nowhere... They almost always have a functional role. They're not just spandrels..."
- "Consciousness is just far to complex and evolutionarily fine tuned for that to happen"
- "In our own experience we can see how well it helps us... even if it sometimes can misfire"
- The mistaken view that consciousness must be sharp-edged & binary, on or off
- "If you can't explain how it can gradually come into existence you must believe that it has always been there" #panpsychism
- Wanting to apply crisp well bounded concepts (baldness, life, health, consciousness) to a messy reality
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
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