Intelligence Squared

Ghost Ships and Geopolitics, with Ian Urbina and Ros Urwin

Aug 18, 2020

Ian Urbina, an investigative reporter known for uncovering illegal fishing practices, joins journalist Rosamund Urwin to discuss alarming revelations about a Chinese squid fleet fishing in North Korean waters, violating UN sanctions. They investigate the shocking connection between these activities and the mysterious deaths of North Korean fishermen whose bodies have washed ashore in Japan. The conversation also delves into the geopolitical implications of ghost ships and the resilience of those exploited in the fishing industry.

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Rosamund Urwin

Ian Urbina

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Episode notes

Intro

2min

Ghost Ships and Fishermen's Fates

19min

Escalating Tensions: Japan and North Korea in 2019

2min

Exploring the Shadowy World of Ghost Ships and Geopolitical Implications

2min

Challenges of Yulong Island's Maritime Struggles

8min

Resilience and Hope Amidst Exploitation

3min

Ian Urbina, investigative reporter of The New York Times for 17 years returns to the podcast to discuss a new investigation, which he believes to uncover the largest known case of illegal fishing perpetrated by a single industrial fleet operating in another nation’s waters (a Chinese fleet of squid boats fishing in North Korean waters in violation of UN sanctions). He spoke to Rosamund Urwin about the case and why dead North Koreans were washing up on the shores of Japan. They also discussed the wider themes of Ian's book The Outlaw Ocean which you can find out more about here: https://www.theoutlawocean.com/

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