Rachel O'Dwyer, "Tokens: The Future of Money in the Age of the Platform" (Verso, 2023)
Oct 8, 2023
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Rachel O'Dwyer, author of 'Tokens: The Future of Money in the Age of the Platform', discusses the rise of tokens as replacements for traditional forms of money. She explores the control and discrimination that can emerge when money is tied to specific apps or actions. The podcast delves into the concept of programmable tokens and their impact on people's agency and values. O'Dwyer also discusses the ongoing battle between the state and platforms for control over money and payments. Overall, the podcast offers intriguing insights into the evolving world of digital currencies.
Tokens like cryptocurrencies and NFTs are blurring the line between money and tokens, leading to an evolving concept of what constitutes 'money'.
The battle for control of money and payments is intensifying between platforms and the state, with both sides exerting their influence.
Deep dives
The evolving nature of money and tokens
This podcast episode explores the evolving nature of money and tokens, focusing on the intersection of digital technologies, platforms, and money. The guest speaker, Rachel Badoyer, discusses her book 'Tokens: The Future of Money' and shares her insights on the subject. She highlights the shift in paradigms caused by the proliferation of tokens and their impact on traditional notions of money. Badoyer delves into various examples, such as crypto kitties, NFTs, and the use of tokens in social media platforms. The conversation explores the tension between the state and platforms in controlling money, and the potential implications of programmable money. Overall, the episode presents a thought-provoking analysis of the changing landscape of money and its relationship with technology.
The blurred distinction between money and tokens
In this episode, Rachel Badoyer challenges the traditional distinction between money and tokens. She argues that tokens, which circulate alongside state-backed money, have characteristics that both overlap with and extend beyond traditional money. Badoyer provides examples such as cryptocurrencies, gift balances, and in-game currencies to illustrate how tokens are used for various purposes beyond just payment. She highlights their role in online communication, social bonding, and even trolling. By blurring the line between money and tokens, Badoyer suggests that the concept of what constitutes 'money' is evolving, and this has implications for the future of financial systems.
The battle for control of money and payments
This podcast episode delves into the ongoing battle for control of money and payments between the state and platforms. Rachel Badoyer explores how platforms, such as social media and tech companies, are entering the realm of money issuance and banking, challenging the traditional authority of the state in these areas. She discusses the case of Facebook's announcement to issue its own token, which initially seemed like a victory for platforms. However, Badoyer also highlights the pushback by states in terms of regulation and the development of state-backed digital currencies. She reveals the complex power dynamics between the state and platforms in shaping the future of money and payments.
Tokens as programmable money and implications for society
Rachel Badoyer's book 'Tokens: The Future of Money' explores the concept of programmable money and its potential effects on society. In this podcast episode, Badoyer discusses the implications of programming conditions into tokens. She examines how tokens are being used to surveil and profile users, as well as condition their behavior. Badoyer raises concerns about who gets to determine and code the conditions into tokens: the state or profit-driven platforms. She emphasizes the need to critically examine the values embedded in programmable money and the potential loss of agency for individuals. By exploring these issues, Badoyer invites listeners to consider the social and ethical dimensions of programmable money in a rapidly changing financial landscape.
Platform capitalism is coming for the money in your pocket. Wherever you look, money is being re-placed by tokens. Digital platforms are issuing new kinds of money-like things: phone credit, shares, gift vouchers, game tokens, customer data--the list goes on. But what does it mean when online platforms become the new banks? What new types of control and discrimination emerge when money is tied to specific apps or actions, politics or identities?
Tokens opens up this new and expanding world. Exploring the history of extra-monetary economies, Rachel O'Dwyer shows that private and grassroots tokens have always haunted the real economy. But as the large tech platforms issue new money-like instruments, tokens are suddenly everywhere. Amazon's Turk workers are getting paid in gift cards. Online streamers trade in wishlists. Foreign remittances are sent via phone credit. Bitcoin, gift cards, NFTs, customer data, and game tokens are the new money in an evolving economy. It is a development challenging the balance of power between online empires and the state. Tokens may offer a flexible even subversive route to compensation. But for the platforms themselves they can be a means of amassing frightening new powers. An essential read for anyone concerned with digital money, inequality, and the future of the economy.
Bernardo Batiz-Lazo is currently straddling between Newcastle and Mexico City. You can find him on twitter on issues related to business history of banking, fintech, payments and other musings. Not always in that order. @BatizLazo