(1) THOMAS FRANK What's the Matter with Kansas? (2) GEORGE LAKOFF Don't Think of an Elephant - both recorded in 2004

Late summer 2004, I recorded conversations with Thomas Frank on What's the Matter With Kansas? and with George Lakoff on Don't Think of an Elephant. We were deep in two wars and three months from the Bush-Kerry election. Both Frank and Lakoff point to blind spots about the way we see the world, how we frame what we experience, and how powerful both can be. What do they have to tell us today three months from the 2018 midterms?