This is a ~1 hour-long discussion meeting with Stuart Kauffman and Katherine Peil Kauffman. Their two papers referenced in the discussion are:
Stu's: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsfs.2022.0063
Kate's: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.7453/gahmj.2013.058
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