In this episode of Stance, Chrystal Genesis is joined by film programmer and cultural researcher Jemma Desai. Together they examine the practices of (Un)learning for Liberation as they highlight the many forms of abolitionist thinking through literature, music, activism and film.

We speak with London based artist, writer and political organiser Joshua Virasami about his book How to Change It from #Merky books and Penguin, an accessible step by step guide to activism and campaigning work to provoke change.

California based Cultural strategist and film producer Sonya Childress, and Professor of Media and Cultural Studies at University of California, Riverside, Dylan Rodriguez, discuss their work, highlighting the intersections of culture, movement building and the radical nature of abolition.

Heading to Cape Town, Stance chats with musician, educator and organiser Asher Gamedze about his soulful and political Jazz album, Dialectic Soul.

Between New York and London, we speak with Dalit rights activist and founder of Equality Labs Thenmozhi Soundararajan, and Kelsey Mohamed of London based Cradle Community about the links between caste and white supremacy.

To end, we chat with Berlin based interdisciplinary artist and educator Camille Barton, and educator focused on radical pedagogies and spaces, London based Aditi Jaganathan about their work as facilitators and educators in enacting change.

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