The Black Antifascist Tradition--a Conversation with Janelle Hope and Bill Mullen
Jun 3, 2024
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Jeanelle Hope and Bill Mullen discuss the interconnectedness of anti-Black racism and fascism, highlighting historical examples like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and the 'We Charge Genocide' document. They emphasize the need for global solidarity in struggles for liberation and the importance of recognizing how racism and fascism are embedded in the law.
Black intellectuals and activists see anti-Black racism intertwined with fascism through laws, labor practices, and cultural oppression.
Cross-boundary struggles for Black liberation parallel global fascist and racist laws and practices, as seen in historical events like the Spanish Civil War.
Emphasizing the need for critical discussions on anti-fascism, the book inspires students to engage in transformative actions for social justice.
Deep dives
Understanding the Black Intellecuals and Activists' Perspective on Anti-Black Racism and Fascism
The book explores how black intellectuals and activists view anti-black racism as intertwined with fascism, evident in the construction of laws, labor practices, cultural oppression, and life limitations. It highlights the interconnected struggles for black liberation globally, drawing parallels between fascist and racist laws globally. The Abraham Lincoln Brigade's fight against fascism in the Spanish Civil War and the 1951 document 'We Charge Genocide' linking fascism in the US to global humanitarian law exemplify these crosscurrents.
Motivation Behind Writing the Book and Key Discoveries
The authors share their motivations for writing the book, citing encounters with anti-blackness and fascism in historical archives, along with contemporary news demonizing groups like Antifa. They emphasize the need to counter misinformation and historicism, showcasing how black individuals have historically organized against fascism. Collaboration with other researchers revealed gaps in anti-fascist studies, particularly in addressing how black people have been involved in anti-fascism historically.
Reflection on Key Figures and Events in the Anti-Fascist Tradition
The conversations delve into key figures like Du Bois, Robert F. Williams, and their significant roles in anti-fascist movements. Events like the Spanish Civil War, Ethiopia's resistance against Italian invasion, and the Double V Campaign resonate as critical moments in Black anti-fascist activism. The discussion expands to highlight the intertwined nature of anti-Blackness, colonialism, and fascism globally, illustrating varied strategies and interventions.
Implications for Modern Anti-Fascist Movements and World-Making Projects
The podcast reveals how the book is used in classes to enhance students' understanding of historical and contemporary anti-fascism. It emphasizes fostering critical discussions on fascism, anti-blackness, and colonization for students actively engaged in encampments and social movements. The book's focus on world-making, legal challenges, and multi-faceted resistance strategies inspires students to embody anti-fascist principles, engaging in transformative actions for social justice.
Encouraging World-Making and Social Change through Education and Activism
The discussion highlights the power of education and activism in challenging fascist systems and promoting social change. Students taking active roles in encampments and protests embody the legacy of Black anti-fascist traditions. By merging historical insights with modern practices, the book empowers students to counter anti-blackness, colonialism, and fascism globally. It fosters a culture of critical thinking, community-driven actions, and inclusive world-making projects.
Today on Speaking Out of Place we talk with Jeanelle Hope and Bill Mullen about their new book, The Black Antifascist Tradition, which uses a vast set of archival materials to show how Black intellectuals and activists regarded anti-Black racism as inseparable from fascism. This is brought out vividly in the ways the law was constructed, labor was extracted, culture oppressed, and lives curtailed.
Struggles for Black liberation are therefore connected across national boundaries, just as fascist and racist laws and practices are shared by oppressive regimes globally. Hope and Mullen show how these cross currents work in examples like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade that fought against fascism during the Spanish Civil War, and the momentous 1951 document, “We Charge Genocide,” that linked fascism in the US to violations of international humanitarian law. Ultimately, we talk about how peoples’ movements must always acknowledge how racism and fascism are baked into the law, and unite in world-making projects that lead to liberation for all peoples.
Dr. Jeanelle K. Hope is the Director and Associate Professor of African American Studies at Prairie View A&M University. She is a native of Oakland, California and a scholar of Black political thought, culture, and social movements. Dr. Hope is the co-author of The Black Antifascist Tradition: Fighting Back from Anti-Lynching to Abolition. Her research has been published in several academic journals including The American Studies Journal, Amerasia, View, and Black Camera, and her public scholarship has been featured in Voices of River City, Essence, and the African American Policy Forum.
Bill V. Mullen is Professor Emeritus of American Studies at Purdue. He is co-author with Jeanelle Hope of The Black Antifascist Tradition: Fighting Back from Anti-lynching to Abolition. He is also author of James Baldwin: Living in Fire (Pluto Press) and We Charge Genocide!: American Fascism and the Rule of Law (forthcoming September Fordham University Press). He is a member of the organizing collective for USACBI (United States Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel).
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