Idris Kalun, U.S. policy correspondent for The Economist, and Lena Shipper, the Seoul bureau chief, dive into the complexities of Trump's leadership during COVID-19. They discuss how his administration's handling of the crisis revealed deeper preexisting issues in America's healthcare system. Shipper also reflects on the poignant 40th anniversary of the Gwangju massacre in South Korea, addressing its lasting political impact. The conversation wraps up with insights into the revolutionizing landscape of American space travel, marking a pivotal shift towards privatization.