What Does Freedom Look Like for Ukraine and Gaza? (Quick Take)
Dec 1, 2024
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Timothy Snyder, renowned historian and author of On Tyranny and On Freedom, dives into the depths of freedom as it relates to the ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza. He shares how his experiences in Ukraine shaped his understanding of sovereignty and identity. The conversation explores the nuances of U.S. support in Ukraine, critiques the implications of negotiating with tyrants, and discusses the necessity of statehood for true liberation in Gaza. Snyder also emphasizes empathy as a vital ingredient in fostering a shared humanity amid conflict.
Timothy Snyder emphasizes that true freedom is intertwined with moral responsibility, exemplified by Zelensky's choice to remain during the invasion.
The podcast contrasts negative and positive freedoms, highlighting the necessity of state recognition for mutual rights and human dignity in Ukraine and Gaza.
Deep dives
The Impact of Environment on Writing
Writing about freedom while in Ukraine profoundly influenced the author by immersing them in an environment where concepts of sovereignty and solidarity were being challenged. The author highlights that the distinction between personal and interpersonal experiences was crucial; while relying on their own American perspective, they actively sought out the narratives of others, including those in a maximum-security prison, to gain a broader understanding of freedom. In Ukraine, conversations about freedom often contrasted with the Russian notion of liberation, which is viewed through a lens of destruction and occupation. This experience illustrated the importance of understanding positive freedom, as demonstrated by the Ukrainians’ ability to articulate a vision of the future despite the harsh realities they faced.
Moral Choices and the Concept of Freedom
The exploration of freedom leads to a critical discussion about moral choices, particularly exemplified by a conversation with Ukrainian President Zelensky regarding his decision to remain in Kyiv during the invasion. The author reflects on Zelensky’s view that true freedom includes moral responsibility, which sometimes necessitates making difficult choices rather than pursuing self-serving options. This perspective contrasts sharply with the commonly held belief that freedom equates to boundless choices; instead, it posits that authentic freedom is rooted in the accumulation of moral actions. The discussion raises questions about the implications of freedom in the context of American assumptions about heroism and courage in the face of adversity.
Understanding Freedom through Historic Context
Analyzing the juxtaposition between negative and positive freedoms provides insight into the broader implications of imperialism and the nature of statehood. The author argues that freedom cannot exist in the absence of a state that recognizes the rights of its people; instead, true freedom requires an acknowledgment of mutual humanity and the need for states to foster environments where people can thrive. The historical context indicates that negative freedom can manifest in oppressive narratives, as seen in the relationship between Israel and Palestine or in Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Ultimately, the discussion highlights how the fight for freedom encompasses not only territory and governance but also the moral obligations inherent in recognizing the rights and dignity of others.
Timothy Snyder (author of On Tyranny) speaks with Michael Steele about how living in Ukraine informed his latest book, On Freedom and what freedom looks like for Ukraine and Gaza.