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In this special episode recorded live at the NeoHeart Conference 2025 in San Diego, California, Ben and Daphna sit down with Dr. Steve Abman, the Dr. John Patrick Cleary Living with Legends Keynote Address Speaker. A true leader in pediatric medicine, Dr. Abman serves as Professor of Pediatric Pulmonary Medicine, Co-Director of the Pediatric Pulmonary Hypertension Program, Director of the Pediatric Heart and Lung Center, and President of the American Pediatric Society.

Through candid reflection and storytelling, Dr. Abman discusses his journey from social activism to medicine, his mentors who shaped his path, and the power of collaboration in improving outcomes for children with cardiopulmonary disease. He reminds us that the future of neonatology depends on staying curious, working together, and keeping the baby—and the family—at the center of every decision.

This conversation is an inspiring reminder that science advances not just through data, but through generosity, humility, and shared purpose.

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