Martin Pannier is a French entrepreneur who started the company Primo to help small and medium-sized businesses get their IT work right for new employees. He’s worked as a product leader at iziwork, Gusto and several others. In addition to being a founder he’s also a husband and the father of one young daughter. In our conversation today we discussed:

* Raising a daughter in a multicultural family

* How to avoid the temptation to view parenting as an accomplishment

* Why not to focus on over-optimization of parenting

* Maintaining relationships outside of the family when it’s hectic

* The balance of two working parents when one is a founder

* His most surprising aspects of becoming a Dad

* A few things he learned very quickly after his daughter was born

* Having a newborn and running a company

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Where to find Martin Pannier

* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinpannier/

* Primo: https://www.getprimo.com/

Where to find Adam Fishman

* FishmanAF Newsletter: www.FishmanAFNewsletter.com

* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjfishman/

* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startupdadpod/

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In this episode, we cover:

[1:37] Welcome

[1:51] Background

[5:25] Martin’s Childhood

[8:25] Martin’s Family

[11:58] Did he have to convince his wife to move to France?

[15:09] Their decision to start a family

[17:23] What it’s like having a newborn & running a company?

[21:53] Multicultural parenting styles

[25:56] Terrible parenting advice

[28:04] Earliest memory of becoming a father

[30:07] Parenting as an accomplishment

[34:22] What surprised you the most about becoming a dad?

[35:39] Diaper changing competition

[36:43] What did you learn after having your daughter?

[39:34] How he has prioritized maintaining relationships outside the house

[41:04] Favorite book to read to Juno?

[42:02] Family language in a multilingual household

[43:57] How has having child/starting company impacted your life?

[45:58] What he hopes for his daughter’s relationship to technology

[50:03] What’d he give up to become a dad?

[51:39] Mistakes made as a dad

[53:25] Where to follow Martin

[54:44] Rapid fire / lightning round

[1:00:40] Thank you

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Show references:

iziwork: https://www.iziwork.com/fr/

Gusto: https://gusto.com/

Paris, France: https://www.britannica.com/place/Paris

Seine: https://www.britannica.com/place/Seine-River

World Bank:https://www.worldbank.org/en/home

French Space Agency: https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Engineering_Technology/Centre_National_D_Etudes_Spatiales_CNES

Siqi Chen’s Startup Dad Episode: youtube.com/watch?v=I2Nm5Mkj0s0

Sheep In A Jeep: https://www.amazon.com/SHEEP-JEEP-Nancy-Shaw/dp/0395470307

War and Peace: https://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-Vintage-Classics-Tolstoy/dp/1400079985

Where The Wild Things Are: https://www.amazon.com/Where-Wild-Things-Maurice-Sendak/dp/0060254920

Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs: https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-maslow-hierarchy-of-needs

Baby Camera: https://www.amazon.com/Monitor-5Display-Pan-Tilt-Zoom-Temperature-Lullabies/dp/B09GM8JZM9/

Hatch Lights: https://www.hatch.co/

The Expectant Father: https://www.amazon.com/Expectant-Father-Ultimate-Dads-Be/dp/0789212137

Lion King: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110357/

Honey I Shrunk The Kids: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097523/

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